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Base Saiyans vs. Piccolo; Participants: Brofist, and GridZero
Topic Started: Jan 11 2013, 08:45 PM (3,348 Views)
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What we'd have to do now is see the aspect of how Piccolo stands up to Semi-Pefect Cell which I believe people put the Base Saiyans in. Which means we're going to have to look into Piccolo's accomplishments in the ROSAT and statements more carefully now again.


This is going to be a great start...for tomorrow, lol. I'm pretty worn out right now. Been debating all day and will probably sleep soon.

Tomorrow, I'll address all the stuff in the above post, then after that, we can begin dissecting Piccolo's Gains in the RoSaT.

Sound good?
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EMIYA
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Heading back to the University tomorrow as well but I'll be on later so I'll be back to debating as well. Been fun up until now, hope to keep it that way tomorrow.

Sleep well.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

We may not have to actually. I went up to my own powerlevels to see where things stood and the difference I have between the Nameless Namek and ASSJ Vegeta is about a 30x difference and that's using a 6x multiplier for what I feel were >>> kind of gaps, you might even use a lesser multiplier. This means that int raining Vegeta got a 30+ multiplier from the my numbers just by going into the ROSAT once.

That's a pretty big increae and so called gap between Piccolo and Vegeta.

But then look at where Piccolo got from Namek to the Cyborg Arc in 3 years.

Went from ~Second Form Freeza, to whooping #20.

From my numbers if each year had the same consective increase, Piccolo (from my numbers) got a massive 500x+ increase each year. Even if my numbers were too large the amount of increase perfectly shows that Piccolo has the capability of getting his power greatly up through the points of training (And this is just regular training too, no special ROSAT environment either) makes that 30x increase above look like crap.

Seriously the guy went from rivaling Second Form Freeza and being over 50x weaker than SSJ Goku to suddenly kicking the snot out of a guy who would laugh at Post Yardrat Goku who>>SSJ Goku. Piccolo made a massive increase in 3 years and even by taking into account that in the ROSAT is only one year, the increase is still massive.

So yeah in the end I'll probably have to admit that there is actually a pretty big change that Piccolo could surpass the Base Saiyans, by a lot judging from the increaese he's made before but I think in the end, he inadvertendly ended up not getting those same increases as he did before. I believe in the end Piccolo and the Base Saiyans are pretty close to each other, but as I said, judging from my own numbers I can't deny the fact that's it possible ow for Piccolo>Bae Saiyans.

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There are just one or two things I should point out (or that are at least hazy enough to mention):
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Pui Pui was probably part of Babidi's main force, as far as we know he's the third strongest person in their group besides Yakon and Dabura.

Pui-Pui was either the fourth of fifth strongest person on Babidi's force. There was a Stage 2 fighter to be used after him, but Yakon was chosen instead by Babidi. Dabura expressed surprise that Yakon was being chosen to fight "already." When Yakon was defeated, Dabura said he would "personally" to go Stage 3, implying he would normally not be the fighter for that stage (probably the fighter used on Stage 4 or the Command Center below it). Now, either Dabura was the fighter for Stage 4 and Pui-Pui was the fourth strongest in Babidi's squadron, or Dabura was the last resort and Pui-Pui was the fifth strongest behind Stage 2 Fighter, Yakon, and Stage 3 or 4 Fighter (depending on which stage you think Yakon normally reigned over). Pick your poison.

Now this next one I'm a little unsure of, as there are specifics needed, but anyway:
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Plus with Canon, there's really only three heirarchys you could argue I think.

1.) Gods over planets (Kami)

2.) Gods over Galaxies (Kaio-Samas)

3.) Gods over Universe (Kaioshins)

I'm not sure if by canon you were including any guidebooks, but the SEG does say that the Kaioshins govern the afterlife as well as the universe - again, not sure if you were including the afterlife when you meant the "universe" either.

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"I am the bone of my sword."

Aye I over looked the Pui Pui admitingly.

I was mostly referring to that of the universe but even if I didn't, the aspect of the argument (Piccolo's reaction due to the hiearchy) is now probably do the nature of Kaioshin's ki and the inconsistency with Dabura's statement.

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It's...over?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Yeah sorry, pretty much. Now That I've had time to think about it.

For example there's implied not to be a large gap between SSJ Adult Gohan and SSJ Goten.

Then there's Goten and Trunks almost hax implied increases in the ROSAT that increased their powers to that their SSJ fusion went from being larger than Fat Buu to jumping up so high they could apparently damage Initial Super Buu who by the accounts of most of you, is in those 1,000x+ area. Which of course would mean that their base forms are strong.

Yet it's not Goten or Trunks who Buu takes characteristics of, it's Piccolo, still indicating that Piccolo is above them. Honestly going by the implied huge increases, it almost seems to put Piccolo Pefect Cell (Against Goku) if not even higher.

At the very least I defitely see him above Base Gohan and he might fall in between Base Goku and Base Vegeta. But with the implied increase that Goten and Trunks made I really wouldn't be surprised now if Piccolo now had a clear advantage over the Base Saiyans now.
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Alright then, I'll talk to Pyro and Yoshi and we'll discuss who did better, etc, and we'll get back to you on that. I'll get a mod to close this topic as well, if that's alright.
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